This conversation examines the ethical and psychological dimensions of bearing witness to atrocity, featuring Professor Jacqueline Rose and Professor Pumla Gobodo-Madikizela. Through insights grounded in psychoanalysis, history and ethics, the discussion interrogates the meanings of victimhood, the limits of remorse, and the moral obligation to recognise and respond to human suffering.

From the Holocaust to apartheid, and from Gaza to South Africa, the speakers reflect on how we carry history and trauma into the present and the future, asking what it means to truly bear witness. The conversation also confronts the spectacle of violence, the repetition of historical trauma, and the challenge of acting ethically in the face of injustice. This is a moving and urgent dialogue on justice, memory and the body as a site of history.